Measles, mites and anti-vaxxers

About 11,000 years ago nomadic hunter-gatherers living near the river Tigris discovered they could collect the seeds from wild grasses and, by scattering them around on the bare soil, reduce the distance they had to travel to collect more grain the following year.

This was the start of the agricultural revolution.

They couldn’t do much more than clear the ground of competing ‘weeds’ and throw out handfuls of collected seed. The plough wasn’t invented for a further 6,000 years and wouldn’t have been much use anyway as they had no means of dragging it through the baked-hard soil.

But they could grow enough grains and cereals to settle down, doing less hunting and more gathering. Some grains grew better than others, with ‘ears’ that remained intact when they were picked, making harvesting easier. The neophyte farmers preferentially selected these and, about 10,000 years ago, the first domesticated wheat was produced.

Einkorn wheat (Triticum monococcum), one of the first domesticated cereals

Since they were less nomadic and more dependent upon the annual grain harvest they took increasing care to protect it. They were helped with this by the hunting dogs domesticated from wolves several thousands years earlier. The dogs protected the crops and kept the wild animals, primarily big, cloven-hooved ungulates and the native wild sheep and goats, at a distance.

But those that got too close were trapped and were remarkably good to eat.

And since it was easier to keep animals penned up to avoid the need to actively hunt them it was inevitable that sheep and goats were eventually domesticated (~9,000 years ago) … and the nomadic hunter-gatherers became settled farmers practising recognisably mixed agriculture.

Domestication of cattle

The sheep and goats were a bit weak and scrawny. The large ungulates, the aurochs, gaur, banteng, yak and buffalo 1 had a lot more meat on them.

Inevitably, first aurochs (which are now extinct) and then other wild ungulates, were independently domesticated to produce the cattle still farmed today. This process started about 8,000 years ago.

Auroch bull (left) and modern domesticated bull (right). Auroch were big, strong (tasty) animals.

Cattle were great. Not only did they taste good, but they could be managed to produce milk and were strong enough to act as beasts of burden.

The plough was invented and crop yields improved dramatically because the grain germinated better in the cleared, tilled soil. Loosely knit families and groups started to build settled communities in the most fertile regions.

Bigger farms supported more people. Scattered dwellings coalesced and became villages.

Not everyone needed to farm the land. The higher yields (of grain and meat) allowed a division of labour. Some people could help defend the crops from marauders from neighbouring villages, some focused on weaving wool (from the sheep) into textiles while others taught the children the skills they would need as adults.

Communities got larger and villages expanded to form towns.

Zoonotic diseases

Hunter-gatherers had previously had relatively limited contact with animals 2. In contrast, the domestication of dogs, sheep, goats and cattle put humans in daily contact with animals.

Many of these animals carried diseases that were unknown in the human population. The so-called zoonotic diseases jumped species and infected humans.

There’s a direct relationship between the length of time a species has been domesticated and the number of diseases we share with it.

Domestication and shared zoonotic diseases (years, X-axis)

The emergence of new diseases requires that the pathogen has both the opportunity to jump from one species to another and that the recipient species (humans in this case) transmits the disease effectively from individual to individual.

The nomadic hunter-gatherers had been exposed to many of these diseases as well but, even if they had jumped species, their communities were too small and dispersed to support extensive human-to-human transmission.

Rinderpest and measles

Until relatively recently rinderpest was the scourge of wild and domesticated cattle across much of the globe. Rinderpest is a virus that causes a wide range of severe symptoms in cattle (and wild animals such as warthog, giraffe and antelope) including fever, nasal and eye discharges, diarrhoea and, eventually, death. In naÏve populations the case fatality rate approaches 100%.

Rinderpest outbreak in South Africa, 1896

Animals that survive infection are protected for life by the resulting immune response.

Rinderpest is closely related to canine distemper virus and measles virus. Virologically they are essentially the same virus that has evolved to be specific for humans (measles), dogs (canine distemper) or cattle (rinderpest).

Measles evolved from rinderpest, probably 1,500 to 2,000 years ago, and became a human disease.

Rinderpest was almost certainly transmitted repeatedly from cattle to humans in the 6,000 years since auroch or banteng were domesticated. However, the virus failed to establish an endemic infection in the human population as the communities were too small.

However, by about 1,500 – 2,000 years ago the largest towns had populations of ~250,000 people. Subsequent studies have demonstrated that you need a population of this size to produce enough naÏve hosts (i.e. babies) a year to maintain the disease within the population.

This is because, like rinderpest, measles induces lifelong immunity in individuals that survive infection.

Measles is a devastating disease in an unprotected community. Case fatality rates of 10-30% or higher are not unusual. It is also highly infectious, spreading very widely in the community 3. Survivors may suffer brain damage or a range of other serious sequelae.

Measles subsequently changed the course of history, being partially responsible (along with smallpox) for Cortés’ defeat of the Aztec empire in the 16th Century.

John Enders, Maurice Hilleman and Andrew Wakefield

In the late 1950’s John Enders developed an attenuated live measles vaccine. When administered it provided long-lasting protection. It was an excellent vaccine. Maurice Hilleman, in the early 1970’s combined an improved strain of the measles vaccine with vaccines for mumps and rubella to create the MMR vaccine.

Widespread use of the measles and MMR vaccines dramatically reduced the incidence of measles – in the UK from >500,000 cases a year to a few thousand.

Incidence of measles in England and Wales

If vaccine coverage of 92% of the population is achieved then the disease is eradicated from the community. This is due to so-called ‘herd immunity’ 4 in which there are insufficient naÏve individuals for the disease to be maintained in the population.

Measles cases (and deaths) continued to fall everywhere the vaccine was used.

There was a realistic possibility that the vaccines would – like rinderpest 5 – allow the global eradication of measles.

And then in 1986 Andrew Wakefield published a paper in the Lancet suggesting a causative link between the MMR vaccine and autism in children.

Subsequent studies showed that this was a deeply flawed and biased study. And totally wrong.

There is not and never was a link between autism and measles vaccination 6. But that didn’t stop a largely uncritical press and subsequently even less critical social media picking up the story and disseminating it widely.

Measles and the anti-vaccine movement

Measles vaccination rates dropped because a subset of parents refused to have their kids vaccinated with the ‘dangerous’ measles vaccine.

Several successive birth cohorts had significantly lower than optimal vaccination rates. Measles vaccine coverage dropped to 84% by 2002 in the UK, with regional levels (e.g. parts of London) being as low as 61%. By 2006, twenty years after the thoroughly discredited (and now retracted) Lancet paper vaccine rates were still hovering around the mid-80% level.

As immunisation rates dropped below the critical threshold, measles started to circulate again in the population. 56 cases in 1998 to ~450 in the first 6 months of 2006. In that year there was also the first death from measles for many years – an entirely avoidable tragedy.

In 2008 measles was again declared endemic (i.e. circulating in the population) in the UK.

Similar increases in measles, mumps and rubella were occurring across the globe in countries where these diseases were unknown for a generation due to previous widespread vaccination.

The distrust of the MMR vaccine was triggered by the Wakefield paper but is part of a much wider ‘anti-vaccination movement‘.

“Vaccines are dangerous, vaccines themselves cause disease, there are too many vaccines and the immune system is overloaded, vaccines contain preservatives (thiomersal) that are toxic, vaccines cause sterility etc.”

None of these claims stand up to even rudimentary scientific scrutiny.

All have been totally debunked by very extensive scientific analysis.

The World Health Organisation consider the anti-vaccine movement (anti-vaxxers) one of the top ten threats to global health. Vaccination levels are lower than they need to be to protect the population. Diseases – not just measles – that should be almost eradicated now kill children every year.

Where are the bees in this beekeeping blog?

Bear with me … before getting to the bees I want to move from fact (all of the above) to fantasy. The following few paragraphs (fortunately) has not happened (and to emphasise the point it is all italicised). However, it is no more illogical than the claims already being made by the anti-vaccine movement.

Childhood measles

The inexorable rise of internet misinformation and social media strengthened the anti-vaxxers beliefs further. Their claims that vaccines damage the vaccinees were so widespread and, for the uncritical, naturally suspicious or easily influenced who simply wanting to protect their kids, so persuasive that vaccine rates dropped further. They refused to consider the scientific arguments for the benefits of vaccines, and refused to acknowledge the detrimental effects diseases were having on the community.

The obvious causative link to the inevitable increase in disease rates was not missed – by both the anti-vaxxers and those promoting vaccination. However, the solutions each side chose were very different. Measles remained of particular concern as kids were now regularly dying from this once near-forgotten disease. The symptoms were very obvious and outbreaks spread like wildfire in the absence of herd-immunity 7.

The anti-vaxxers were aware that population size was a key determinant of the ability of measles to be maintained in the population. Small populations, such as those on islands or in very isolated regions, had too few new births annually to maintain measles as an endemic disease.

With the increase in remote working – enabled by the same thing (the internet) responsible for lots of the vaccine misinformation – groups of anti-vaxxers started to establish remote closed communities. Contact with the outside world was restricted, as was the size of the community itself.

A quarter of a million was the cutoff … any more than that and there was a chance that measles could get established in the unprotected population.

Small communities 8 work very well for some things, but very badly for others. Efficiencies of scale, in education, industry, farming and trade became a problem, leading to increased friction. When disease did occur in these unprotected communities it wreaked havoc. Countless numbers of people suffered devastating disease because of the lack of vaccination.

In due course this led to further fragmentation of the groups. They lived apart, leading isolated lives, flourishing in good years but struggling (or failing completely) when times were hard, or when disease was introduced. Some communities died out altogether. 

They chose not to travel because, being unvaccinated, they were susceptible to diseases that were widespread in the environment. Movement and contact between villages, hamlets and then individual farm settlements was restricted further over time.

The benefits of large communities, the division of labour, the economies and efficiencies of scale, were all lost.

They didn’t even enjoy particularly good health.

They had ‘evolved’ into subsistence farmers … again.

OK, that’s enough! Where are the bees?

Anyone who has bothered to read this far and who read Darwinian beekeeping last week will realise that this is meant to be allegorical.

The introduction of Varroa to the honey bee population resulted from the globalisation of beekeeping as an activity, and the consequent juxtaposing of Apis mellifera with Apis cerana colonies.

Without beekeepers it is unlikely that the species jump would have occurred.

Apis cerana worker

Undoubtedly once the jump had occurred transmission of mites between colonies was facilitated by beekeepers keeping colonies close together. We do this for convenience and for the delivery of effective pollination services.

The global spread of mites has been devastating for the honey bee population, for wild bees and for beekeeping.

But (like the introduction to measles in humans) it is an irreversible event.

However, it’s an irreversible event that, by use of effective miticides, can at least be partially mitigated.

Miticides do not do long-term harm to honey bees in the same way that vaccines don’t overload the immune response or introduce toxins or cause autism.

There can be short term side effects – Apiguard stinks and often stops the queen laying. Dribbled oxalic acid damages open brood.

But the colony benefits overall.

Many of the miticides now available are organic acids, acceptable in organic farming and entirely natural (even being part of our regular diet). Some of the hard chemicals used (e.g. the lipid-soluble pyrethroids in Apistan) may accumulate in comb, but I’d argue that there are more effective miticides that should be used instead (e.g. Apivar).

I’m not aware that there is any evidence that miticides ‘weaken’ colonies or individual bees. There’s no suggestion that miticide treatment makes a colony more susceptible to other diseases like the foulbroods or Nosema.

Of course, miticides are not vaccines (though vaccines are being developed) – they are used transiently and provide short to medium term protection from the ravages of the mite and the viruses it transmits.

By the time they are needed again the only bee likely to have been previously exposed is the queen. They benefit the colony and they indirectly benefit the environment. The colony remains strong and healthy, with a populous worker community available for nectar-gathering and pollination.

The much reduced mite load in the colony protects the environment. Mites cannot be spread far and wide when bees drift or through robbing. Other honey bee colonies sharing the environment therefore also benefit.

The genie is out of the bottle and will not go back

Beekeepers (inadvertently) created the Varroa problem and they will not solve it by stopping treatment. Varroa will remain in the environment, in feral colonies and in the stocks of beekeepers who choose to continue treating their colonies.

And in the many colonies of Apis mellifera still kept in the area that overlaps the natural (and currently expanding) range of Apis cerana.

Treatment-free beekeepers may be able to select colonies with partial resistance or tolerance to Varroa, but the mite will remain.

So perhaps the answer is to ban treatment altogether?

What would happen if no colonies anywhere were treated with miticides? What if all beekeepers followed the principles of Darwinian (bee-centric, bee friendly, ‘natural’) beekeeping – well-spaced colonies, allowed to swarm freely, killed off if mite levels become dangerously high – were followed?

Surely you’d end up with resistant stocks?

Yes … possibly … but at what cost?

Commercial beekeeping would stop. Honey would become even scarcer than it already is 9. Pollination contracts would be abandoned. The entire $5bn/yr Californian almond crop would fail, as would numerous other commercial agricultural crops that rely upon pollination by honey bees. There would be major shortages in the food supply chain. Less fruits, more cereals.

Pollination and honey production require strong, healthy populous colonies … and the published evidence indicates that naturally mite resistant/tolerant colonies are small, swarmy and only exist at low density in the environment.

Like the anti-vaxxers opting to live as isolated subsistence farmers again, we would lose an awful lot for the highly questionable ‘benefits’ brought by abandoning treatment.

And like the claims made by the anti-vaxxers, in my view the detrimental consequences of treating colonies with miticides are nebulous and unlikely to stand up to scientific scrutiny.

Does anyone seriously suggest we should abandon vaccination and select a resistant strain of humans that are better able to tolerate measles?


It is an inauspicious day … Friday the 13th (unlucky for some) with a global pandemic of a new zoonotic viral disease threatening millions. As I write this the UK government is gradually imposing restrictions on movement and meetings. Governments across Europe have already established draconian regional or even national movement bans. Other countries, most notably the USA and Africa, have tested so few people that the extent of Covid-19 is completely unknown, though the statistics of cases/deaths looks extremely serious.

What’s written above is allegorical … and crudely so in places. It seemed an appropriate piece for the current situation. The development of our globalised society has exposed us – and our livestock – to a range of new diseases. We cannot ‘turn the clock back’ without dissasembling what created these new opportunities for pathogens in the first place. And there are knock-on consequences if we did that many do not properly consider.

Keep washing your hands, self-isolate when (not if) necessary, practise social distancing (no handshakes) and remember that your bees are not at risk. There are no coronaviruses of honey bees.


  1. Some artistic licence here as these were domesticated separately in other regions as well over about 4,000 years.
  2. Though hunting – and even the current bushmeat trade – is a known route of transmission though usually ‘dead end’ and not spreading further in humans.
  3. For the technically-minded it has an R0 of 12+. Compare that to Covid-19 which has an R0 of 2 or 3. R0 is the average number of new people infected by an infected individual.
  4. I like the etymological ‘nod’ here to the collective term for cattle as it’s originally a cattle disease that’s being prevented.
  5. No time to cover this, but rinderpest was the second viral disease (after smallpox) to be eradicated by global vaccination. A phenomenal achievement.
  6. I think this is still a beekeeping blog and so this isn’t the place to go into the details here. It’s well-documented in a number of places – for example, look up stuff by Brian Deer. Wakefield was struck off by the GMC in 2010 for serious professional misconduct. The respected British Medical Journal subsequently referred to the 1986 Wakefield study as fraudulent … but the damage had already been done.
  7. Of course, those supporting vaccination simply wanted the safe and effective MMR vaccine widely used again.
  8. And 250,000 is small. In 1991 (the latest data I could find) this would exclude all towns larger than Hull (UK) or Gilbert, Arizona (USA).
  9. With even more profit to be made from adulterated imported syrup sold as honey.

16 thoughts on “Measles, mites and anti-vaxxers

  1. Janet Wilson

    A very lucid and sensible post! There are many good alternatives to going treatment-free/”Darwinian”.

    At a recent lecture series focusing on current bee research, we had presentations on a new, non-toxic miticide which is now in pre-marketing trials, on the progress of engineering bee gut biota to control mites and Nosema, and vaccination against the foulbroods.

    There is lots of good stuff coming to fruition. Manage your mites, manage your swarms, and enjoy your bees!

    1. David Post author

      Hi Janet

      I gave a talk last night comparing the RNAi-expressing S. alvi system and Apivar … as published the former is not even close to being good enough to control mites or DWV effectively. Properly used Apivar will reduce the virus load in a colony by 10,000,000 in ~1 month. I’m sure the RNAi system will or can be (or has been) improved. Over this side of the Atlantic there will be problems getting approval for its use as it’s a GM microbe (I’m not aware any have yet been approved for release). The technology is very neat.


  2. Paul Honigmann

    Hi. Couple of points. Agree that anti-vaxxers are mad and endanger the rest of us. Treatment-free beeks rely on natural selection which is, firstly, much faster in bees than humans (about one genetic reshuffle per year); secondly, they mix their genes much more than other land creatures, partly due to extreme polygamy and partly due to their DNA mixing being on a much finer scale than other land creatures. Thirdly, treatment-free beeks select from stocks which are already showing some resistance as their starting stock, this is a bit like saying I shall not start with random stock but from the three? in a hundred back in the 1990s which seemed to be faring OK, so we are now at a state where there are a LOT of gene lines around the country and further afield which seem to get by with minimal DWV symptoms without being treated.

    As varroa resistance / hygiene has appeared in so many places it is now thought it is a latent behaviour which has been epigentically switched on. It is selected against as wasting energy when there is no parasite load, but there to be re-actvated when there is. And as there seems to be a range of grooming behaviours from “occasionally” to “obsessive”, it is probably spread across many genes, so won’t be inadvertently lost.

    Although some extremists promote everyone going treatment-free, this would obviously lead to a collapse in agriculture. But due to our thankfully anarchic lack of control we have all kinds of approaches going on in Britain and the overall trend is towards a stronger stock. There are now so many treatment free colonies around (just ask any BIBBA member if you don’t trust fringe enthusiasts like me) that it should be possible to begin experimenting on a commercial scale with varroa tolerant British strains.

    Miticides are harmful BTW – they reduce drone and perhaps queen fertility for a start. Oxalic acid burns the hairs off bees’ eyes.

    1. David Post author

      Hello Paul

      Thank you for those comprehensive comments, all of which are eminently sensible.

      I agree that there are multiple examples of Varroa tolerance or partial resistance scattered all over the place, and the way it being selected and the molecular mechanism by which it might operate (and perhaps lost).

      I’d forgotten about the suggestion miticides reduce queen fertility, but couldn’t subsequently find a reference to this. I agree that there may be some short-term impact on individual bees.

      But where is the evidence that these colonies are fitter? Where is the evidence that they overwinter at least as well? That they have low viral loads? Or for that matter mite loads?

      There is at least one widely referenced ‘Varroa resistant’ strain that had exceedingly high mite levels when tested, coupled with viral loads of about 10^8 per bee. I’d argue that neither of these are indicative of a healthy colony. I would expect viral loads that high to decrease longevity of bees and so increase overwintering losses … but that has not been tested as far as I know.

      I’m not aware the virus loads in other mite ‘resistant’ or tolerant colonies have been measured. That would be interesting … the only published study of UK feral colonies showed that the DWV levels were as high as unmanaged colonies in an apiary. There was no suggestion these feral bees were resistant to Varroa.


  3. Phill


    Many thanks for yet another excellent post. How timely it is too!

    Shame you didn’t mention the benefits of “panic-buying” fondant 😉


    1. David Post author

      No room in my bee shed for fondant these days … it’s full of loo rolls.
      You simply cannot have too many loo rolls for a respiratory virus pandemic … or maybe I don’t properly understand the symptoms 🙁
      Take care

  4. Ihor Pona

    The Richmond Beekeepers Club in Richmond BC, Canada is inviting Tom Seeley to come and do a presentation. I offered the group access to your previous posting “Darwinian Beekeeping”. None have taken up the offer to read your posting. Hmmm.

  5. Archie McLellan

    Hello David
    Talk about seizing the day! Well, I may have started reading today for the stuff on bees, but who better to listen to on the state of the world just now than a virologist.
    As with Covid-19, so also with bees. The more I read, the more I find it is really difficult to know anything for sure. I’m thinking my focus has been too orthodox: BBKA exams, NBU, Celia Davis…
    So I looked up Paul Honigmann (above) and found this sentence in one of his posts on Oxfordshire Natural Beekeeping Group: ‘A potential problem with a natural beekeeping group is: members never talk to conventional beekeepers.’
    I don’t come across natural beekeepers very often – probably because I don’t seek them out. There is a comfort in certainty but it’s probably not good to be too certain about anything.
    I looked up some past BIBBA articles. Dorian Pritchard didn’t treat for varroa from 2002 and lost very few colonies. His article ‘Just look what happens if you don’t treat against varroa! All beekeepers must manage varroa in their stocks.’ will keep me occupied for some time.
    All best

    1. David Post author

      Hello Archie

      I’m not necessarily saying you cannot keep bees without treatment – there are lots of examples that you can … though I suspect most only achieve this by unacceptably high losses (to the bees or me, presumably not to them) or exceptionally good beekeeping. What I would like to see is evidence that these colonies are really healthy and flourishing by meaningful measurement – pathogen loads, foraging ability, comb and brood production. Those I’m aware of that have been screened for virus levels have harboured high levels (probably 10,000+ times higher than I routinely see in my own colonies). I would expect these to significantly impact colony fitness.

      I’d advise not listening to virologists at the moment … the people to listen to are the epidemiologists. Despite the statements made by one notable individual about new vaccine availability or the possibility of trying the ‘flu vaccine, it’s the epidemiologists who understand the numbers and what they mean.

      And currently they’re not looking good.

      I’ve never found ‘social distancing’ an issue once I don my beesuit … many people naturally back away.


  6. Daniel Swan

    I’d heard good things about the Apiarist, but this article falls far short of expectations.

    – If someone needs a meandering narrative in order to make their point, their point can’t stand on its own merit.

    – If someone claims to be citing “The facts”, they aren’t. They’d use citations, instead of giving glowing opinions… of their opinions. It’s like the “Heathy Choice” meals in the frozen section: If it needs to tell you it’s healthy, it isn’t.

    – For a self proclaimed expert on Vaccines, he certainly knows little about Disease. Consider the statement: “Measles is a devastating disease in an unprotected community. Case fatality rates of 10-30% or higher are not unusual.”

    The fearsome Measles mortality statistics often cited by “Experts” are selectively taken from vulnerable and malnourished populations in the third world who are already teetering on the edge. In North America, Measles mortality is about .15%: That is, 1.5 out of a thousand reported cases [1]. Imagine 1000 random people, and consider what the most vulnerable person of that group would look like. They would be very sick and also already teetering on the edge.

    1. David Post author

      You appear to have chosen to miss the point Daniel … it doesn’t matter what the cfr rate for measles is (and I agree that the figures quoted are high … but not unusual in susceptible populations) it’s the choice the anti-vaxxers make to not vaccinate when there is a good vaccine available.

      Here’s a reference for some facts. CDC quotes USA cfr’s between 1985 and 1992 as 0.2%. Much higher figures are quoted in the same document (15%) or applied prior to the introduction of vaccination … which was the context I made the statement in (the following paragraph starts Measles subsequently changed the course of history … ).

  7. Matt Harris

    I respect your decision to treat bees, but comparing treatment-free beekeeping with anti-vaxxers is verging on rude.

    I do, however, agree that treatment-free beekeeping, which I follow myself, doesn’t work for the most common type of beekeeping, which you probably fit into yourself.

    What I mean is, for the “normal” type of beekeeper in the UK, who actively intervenes to discourage swarming, adds supers to get as much honey as possible, and so on, it is probably necessary to treat, as there will be no natural break in brood rearing.

    However, I believe that Seeley has provided evidence that “small hive” beekeeping, with regular swarms, can lead to a situation where treatment isn’t required.

    So, there isn’t a one-size-fits-all rule here, and I would rather you didn’t paint me as some made anti-vaxxer sitting in the corner, infecting everyone else’s hives.

    Because believe me, judging from the Facebook updates from local beekeepers who DO treat, it certainly doesn’t sound like their hives are a picture of health.

    1. David Post author

      Hello Matt

      I agree that there are many, many hives with poor health amongst those who treat. That however does not mean that not treating is necessarily better … if you are going to treat (which I believe you should for the health and welfare of the bees) then it needs to be done properly, and at the right time.

      What’s not clear is the level of disease in hives of those who do not treat. Are there any meaningful studies of virus and Varroa loads? I can think of one published by Mordecai et al., where the virus loads were 5+ orders of magnitude higher than well-maintained bees. With that level of pathogens (and very high Varroa loads) these bees are a threat to other nearby colonies …

      I’m sure it’s possible to keep bees as Seeley suggests. I’m not sure it’s possible in the overcrowded UK … how many people have the luxury of hives 200 metres apart etc.? Also, how many follow all the components of his Darwinian system? If they’re allowing free swarming then they’re abdicating their responsibilities as beekeepers … where do those bees go, what levels of mites do they have, viruses etc? Who do they expect are going to capture those swarms that end up on schools, roofs, dustbins etc that are not wanted? Seeley’s system used swarming as way of ‘shedding’ diseased bees.

      I’d like to see the DWV and Varroa levels, the fate of the swarms (where do they go?) and a real measure of colony losses. Including the ones Seeley recommends culling. How many treatment free beekeepers do this? I’d also think it would be worthwhile to study molecular measures of stress in the bees. Are they really healthier than a colony treated twice a season with oxalic acid?

      Just because they’re not being treated does not mean they are in the peak of health. Infectious diseases and parasites are a reality of life (as we’re all finding out now). If there are solutions that lower disease, do not threaten “society” and are highly effective then they should be used.


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