Aristotle’s hairless black thieves

Aristotle not in his beesuit

Almost every article or review on chronic bee paralysis virus 1 starts with a reference to Aristotle describing the small, black, hairless ‘thieves‘, which he observed in the hives of beekeepers on Lesbos over 2300 years ago 2.

Although Aristotle was a great observer of nature, he didn’t get everything right.

And when it came to bees, he got quite a bit wrong.

He appreciated the concept of a ‘ruling’ bee in the hive, but thought that the queen was actually a king 3. He also recognised different castes, though he thought that drones (which he said “is the largest of them all, has no sting and is stupid”) were a different species.

He also reported that bees stored noises in earthenware jars (!) and carried stones on windy days to avoid getting blown away 4.

However, over subsequent millenia, a disease involving black, hairless honey bees has been recognised by beekeepers around the world, so in this instance Aristotle was probably correct.

Little blacks, maladie noire, schwarzsucht

The names given to the symptomatic bees or the disease include little blacks or black robbers in the UK, mal nero in Italy, maladie noire in France or schwarzsucht (black addiction) in Germany. Sensibly, the Americans termed the disease hairless black syndrome. All describe the characteristic appearance of individual diseased bees.

Evidence that the disease had a viral aetiology came from Burnside in the 1940’s who demonstrated the symptoms could be recapitulated in caged bees by injection, feeding or spraying them with bacterial-free extracts of paralysed bees. Twenty years later, Leslie Bailey isolated and characterised the first two viruses from honey bees. One of these, chronic bee paralysis virus (CBPV), caused the characteristic symptoms described first by Aristotle 5.

CBPV causes chronic bee paralysis (CBP), the disease first described by Aristotle.

CBPV infection is reported to present with two different types of symptoms, or syndromes. The first is the hairless, black, often shiny or greasy-looking bees described above 6. The second is more typically abnormal shivering or trembling of the wings, often associated with abdominal bloating 7. These bees are often found on the top bars of the frames during an inspection. Both symptoms can occur in the same hive 8.

CBP onset appears rapid and the first thing many beekeepers know about it is a large pile (literally handfuls) of dead bees beneath the hive entrance.

It’s a distressing sight.

Despite thousands of bees often succumbing to disease, the colony often survives though it may not build up enough again to overwinter successfully.

BeeBase has photographs and videos of the typical symptoms of CBPV infection.

Until recently, CBP was a disease most beekeepers rarely actually encountered.

Emerging and re-emerging disease

I’ve got a few hundred hive year’s worth 9 of beekeeping experience but have only twice seen CBP in a normally-managed colony. One was mine, another was in my association apiary a few years later.

A beekeeper managing 2 to 3 colonies might well never see the disease.

A bee farmer running 2 to 3 hundred (or thousand) colonies is much more likely to have seen the disease.

As will become clear, it is increasingly likely for bee farmers to see CBP in their colonies.

Virologists define viral diseases as emerging if they are new in a population. Covid-19, or more correctly SARS-CoV-2 (the virus), is an emerging virus. They use the term re-emerging if they are known but increasing in incidence.

Ebola is a re-emerging disease. It was first discovered in humans in 1976 and caused a few dozen sporadic outbreaks 10 until the 2013-16 epidemic in West Africa which killed over 11,000 people.

Often the terms are used interchangeably.

Sporadic and rare … but increasing?

Notwithstanding the apparently sporadic and relatively rare incidence of CBP in the UK (and elsewhere; the virus has a global distribution) anecdotal evidence suggested that cases of disease were increasing.

In particular, bee farmers were reporting increasing numbers of hives afflicted with the disease, and academic contacts overseas involved in monitoring bee health also reported increased prevalence.

Something can be rare but definitely increasing if you’re certain about the numbers you are dealing with. If you only have anecdotal evidence to go on you cannot be certain about anything very much.

If the numbers are small but not increasing there are probably other things more important to worry about.

However, if the numbers are small but definitely increasing you might have time to develop strategies to prevent further spread.

Far better you identify and define an increasing threat before it increases too much.

With research grant support from the UKRI/BBSRC (the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council) to the Universities of Newcastle (Principle Investigator, Prof. Giles Budge) and St Andrews, and additional backing from the BFA (Bee Farmers’ Association), we set out to determine whether CBPV really was increasing and, if so, what the increase correlated with (if anything).

This component of the study, entitled Chronic bee paralysis as a serious emerging threat to honey bees, was published in Nature Communications last Friday (Budge et al., [2020] Nat. Comms. 11:2164

The paper is Open Access and can be downloaded by anyone without charge.

There are additional components of the study involving the biology of CBPV, changes in virus virulence, other factors (e.g.environmental) that contribute to disease and ways to mitigate and potentially treat disease. These are all ongoing and will be published when complete.

Is chronic bee paralysis disease increasing?


We ‘mined’ the National Bee Units’ BeeBase database for references to CBPV, or the symptoms associated with CBP disease. The data in BeeBase reflects the thousands of apiary visits, either by call-out or at random, by dedicated (and usually overworked) bee inspectors. In total we reviewed almost 80,000 apiary visits in the period from 2006 to 2017.

There were no cases of CBPV in 2006. In the 11 years from 2007 to 2017 the CBP cases (recorded symptomatically) in BeeBase increased exponentially, with almost twice as much disease reported in commercial apiaries. The majority of this increase in commercial apiaries occured in the last 3 years of data surveyed.

Apiaries recorded with chronic bee paralysis between 2006 and 2017.

BeeBase covers England and Wales only. By 2017 CBPV was being reported in 80% of English and Welsh counties.

During the same period several other countries (the USA, several in Europe and China) have also reported increases in CBPV incidence. This looks like a global trend of increased disease.

But is this disease caused by CBPV?

It should be emphasised that BeeBase records symptoms of disease – black, hairless bees; shaking/shivering bees, piles of bees at the hive entrance etc.

How can we be sure that the reports filed by the many different bee inspectors 11 are actually caused by chronic bee paralysis virus?

Or indeed, any virus?

To do this we asked bee inspectors to collect samples of bees with CBPV-like symptoms during their 2017 apiary visits. We then screened these samples with an exquisitely sensitive and specific qPCR (quantitative polymerase chain reaction) assay.

Almost 90% of colonies that were symptomatically positive for CBP were also found to have very high levels of CBPV present. We are therefore confident that the records of symptoms in the historic BeeBase database really do reflect an exponential increase of chronic bee paralysis disease in England and Wales since 2007.

Interestingly, about 25% of the asymptomatic colonies also tested positive for CBPV. The assay used was very sensitive and specific and allowed the quantity of CBPV to be determined. The amount of virus present in symptomatic bees was 235,000 times higher than those without symptoms.

Further work will be needed to determine whether CBPV is routinely present in similar proportions of ‘healthy’ bees, and whether these go on and develop or transmit disease.

Disease clustering

Using the geospatial and temporal (where and when) data associated with the BeeBase records we investigated whether CBPV symptomatic apiaries were clustered.

For example, in any year were cases more likely to be near other cases?

They were.

Across all years of data analysed together, or for individual years, there was good evidence for spatial clustering of cases.

We also looked at whether cases in one year clustered in the same geographic region in subsequent years.

They did not.

Clustering of CBPV – spatial and temporal analysis.

This was particularly interesting. It appears as though there were increasing numbers of individual clustered outbreaks each year, but that the clusters were not necessarily in the same geographic region as those in previous or subsequent years.

The disease appears somewhere, increases locally and then disappears again.

Apiary-level disease risk factors

The metadata associated with Beebase records is relatively sparse. Details of specific colony management methods are not recorded. Local environmental factors – OSR, borage, June gap etc. – are also missing. Inevitably, some of the factors that may be associated with increased risk are not recorded.

A relatively rare disease that is spatially but not temporally clustered is a tricky problem for which to define risk factors. Steve Rushton, the senior author on the paper, did a sterling job of analysing the data that was available.

The two strongest apiary-level factors that contributed to disease risk were:

  1. Commercial beekeeping – apiaries run by bee farmers had a 1.5 times greater risk of recording CBP disease.
  2. Importing bees – apiaries which had imported bees in the two preceding years had a 1.8 times greater risk of recording CBP disease.

Bee farming is often very different from amateur beekeeping. The colony management strategies are altered for the scale of the operation and for the particular nectar sources being exploited. For example, colonies may already be booming to exploit the early season OSR. This may provide ideal conditions for CBPV transmission which is associated with very strong hives and/or confinement.

Bee imports does not mean disease imports

There are good records of honey bees imported through official channels. This includes queens, packages and nucleus colonies. Between 2007 and 2017 there were over 130,000 imports, 90% of which were queens.

An increased risk of CBP disease in apiaries with imported bees does not mean that the imported bees were the source of the disease.

With the data available it is not possible to distinguish between the following two hypotheses:

  1. imported honey bees are carriers of CBPV or the source of a new more virulent strain(s) of the virus, or
  2. imported honey bees are susceptible to CBPV strain(s) endemic in the UK which they were not exposed to in their native country.

There are ways to tease these two possibilities apart … which is obviously something we are keen to complete.

All publicity is good publicity …

… but not necessarily accurate publicity 🙁

We prepared a press release to coincide with the publication of the paper. Typically this is used verbatim by some reporters whereas others ask for an interview and then include additional quotes.

Some more accurately than others 🙁

The Times, perhaps reflecting the current zeitgeist, seemed to suggest a directionality to the disease that we certainly cannot be sure of:

The Times

Its sister publication, The Sun, “bigged it up” to indicate – again – that bees are being wiped out.

The Sun

And the comments included these references to the current Covid-19 pandemic:

  • “Guess its beevid – 19. I no shocking”
  • “It’s the radiation from it”
  • Local honey is supposed to carry antibodies of local virus and colds – it helps humans to eat the stuff or so they say. So it could be that the bees are actually infected by covid. No joke.

All of which I found deeply worrying, on a number of levels.

The Telegraph also used the ‘wiped out’ reference (not a quote, though it looks like one). They combined it with a picture of – why am I not surprised? – a bumble bee. D’oh!

The Telegraph

The Daily Mail (online) had a well-illustrated and pretty extensive article but still slipped in “The lethal condition, which is likely spread from imports of queen bees from overseas …”. The unmoderated comments – 150 and counting – repeatedly refer to the dangers of 5G and EMFs (electric and magnetic fields).

I wonder how many of the comments were posted from a mobile phone on a cellular data or WiFi network?



CBPV is causing increasing incidence of CBP disease in honey bees, both in the UK and abroad. In the UK the risk factors associated with CBP disease are commercial bee farming and bee imports. We do not know whether similar risk factors apply outside the UK.

Knowing that CBP disease is increasing significantly is important. It means that resources – essentially time and money – can be dedicated knowing it is a real issue. It’s felt real to some bee farmers for several years, but we now have a much better idea of the scale of the problem.

We also know that commercial bee farming and bee imports are both somehow involved. How they are involved is the subject of ongoing research.

Practical solutions to mitigate the development of CBP disease can be developed once we understand the disease better.

Full disclosure:

I am an author on the paper discussed here and am the Principle Investigator on one of the two research grants that funds the study. Discussion is restricted to the published study, without too much speculation on broader aspects of the work. I am not going to discuss unpublished or ongoing aspects of the work (including in any answers to comments or questions that are posted). To do so will compromise our ability to publish future studies and, consequently, jeopardise the prospects of the early career researchers in the Universities of St Andrews and Newcastle who are doing all the hard work.


This work was funded jointly by BBSRC grants BB/R00482X/1 (Newcastle University) and BB/R00305X/1 (University of St Andrews) in partnership with The Bee Farmers’ Association and the National Bee Unit of the Animal and Plant Health Agency.


  1. There aren’t that many …
  2. And, as you can see, this one is no different.
  3. A point not corrected for two millenia with the publication of Charls Butler’s Feminine Monarchie in 1634
  4. Virgil repeated this a couple of hundred years later … perhaps Aristotle was referring to pollen.
  5. The other virus was acute bee paralysis virus.
  6. This is usually referred to as the Type 2 syndrome, but for continuity with the reference to Aristotle I’m describing it first.
  7. The Type 1 syndrome.
  8. And evidence from the 60’s shows they both involve the same virus at similar levels, so the different presentation must be due to variation in the bee, or additional factors.
  9. Hives multiplied by beekeeper years.
  10. Tragically killing up to a few hundred people in each.
  11. Anyone who has seen a bee inspector at work will be aware of their skill, but disease description involves a level of subjective analysis which inevitably differs between individuals.

32 thoughts on “Aristotle’s hairless black thieves

  1. Ann Chilcott

    Very interesting information, David. Thank you. I have just had to euthanase a colony that has had CBPV for 2 years on and off. See blog today. A coincidence that you have also published blog on the same subject today. I enjoy your blogs very much. Keep them coming please. Ann.

    1. David Post author

      Hello Ann

      Recurrence of CBPV in a colony is interesting. Is it a reinfection or the same virus rearing its ugly head again once the colony gets strong enough? Probably from your description the same virus, but to be sure the virus would have to be sequenced.

      I normally see CBPV so rarely in apiaries maintained by non-commercial beekeepers that it might not even get a mention. It’s too easy to focus on the “rare and nasties” and overlook the here-all-the-time problem of Varroa and DWV. However, with our recent paper it seemed like a timely post and – as your comment shows and discussions I’ve had with other beekeepers over the last few days – it’s getting to that time of the season when we start to see an increase in CBPV cases.

      I know I owe you an email reply … I apologise, the last 6 weeks have been a combination of stunning weather and videoconferencing. If I’m not doing the latter I’ve been trying to enjoy the former, and so have a backlog of email to deal with.

      Best Wishes

  2. vince poulin

    David – what an interesting article! In 2016 – first year of keeping bees. I recognized a bee entering a “swarm-sourced” hive that was black. A very dark bee, few hairs with a small waist and enlarged abdomen. Not long after they became numerous. Perhaps not related but I lost that swarm-hive to wasps and eventually the original hive to wasps. In 2017, in early season – April – not long after starting a new package that same bee returned. I recognized it quickly. It did not come from my hive but elsewhere. Soon after more arrived becoming an early season robber. I was disheartened knowing what happened the previous season. I photographed the bee and sent it to a knowledgeable friend (science teacher) but he did not recognize it for what I think now what it was – “Aristotle’s hairless black thief”. That year, those hives were lost as well. One due to a massive mite infestation (my lack of experience) and the other late season wasps. But – did CBPV play a role? I did not have a return of those bees in 2018 and none in 2019. My guess was the hive from which they came likely succumbed to the serious wasp issues we had in fall 2018. An informative post.

    1. David Post author

      Hello Vince

      I’m not sure there’s good evidence that CBPV-infected (at least badly infected) bees are involved in robbing. The bees become very lethargic and the large pile of dead bees outside the hive entrance reflects the problems most of them have flying. However, it’s pretty clear that CBPV can be transmitted from hive to hive.

      I suspect Aristotle’s “thief” reference is either something in the translation or a generic derogatory term in use 2300 years ago. There’s a translation of Aristotle’s History of Animals online by D’Arcy Wentworth Thompson which includes multiple references to ‘robber bees’ and other different types of bee.

      I particularly like the quote “Gaudy and showy bees, like gaudy and showy women, are good-for-nothings”.

      For most beekeepers mites remain the major problem that must be tackled.


  3. John Purves

    Found this very interesting and helpful. I have one colony ( a nuc I got last year with a 2019 queen). It built up well and I overwintered on double broodbox. After reading your article midwinter I cleared out dead bees on floor – there was a lot. Colony survived but in spring another load of dead bees on floor. Colony now building up okay but have black typical cbp bees. There are also shaking bees noticeably on ground below entrance.
    The article in Beebase was helpful.
    I am in Peeblesshire.

    Thanks for all your blog posts most of which I have read and given me more understanding and enjoyment in my beekeeping.

    1. David Post author

      Hello John

      It’s not unusual to find dead bees in the bottom of the hive in Spring, perhaps other than in the very strongest hives. Often these bees will appear black and hairless. CBPV is usually associated with very strong hives and the peak of the season, though it can occur at other times. Symptomatic bees like you describe are characteristic. The colony is often held back significantly, but many survive.

      Our data covered England and Wales because the Scottish bee inspectors database is separate. I’m aware of other cases in Scotland.

      Pleased you enjoy the posts and – even more – that you enjoy the beekeeping.


  4. Barry Crabtree

    Hi David

    I really appreciate the point about not coming to hasty conclusions about the source of the virus. It’s very easy to jump to false conclusions and good That you point out There may me multiple explanations.

    I have a question about the choice of 2 years for the 1.8x increase in CBPV in colonies with imported queens. Why not one year?

    Great post. Complements the paper nicely. Thanks.


    1. David Post author

      Hello Barry

      Queens tend to have a productive life of more than one year. We needed to choose a timeframe that was likely to be inclusive in ‘capturing’ the influence of the queen on the colony. We didn’t necessarily have specific dates to work from. If we’d used a smaller window we would have likely missed apiaries that did develop CBPV but perhaps introduced queens late in the season. Formally a queen introduced in September is less than a year old by the next likely peak of CBPV incidence. Finally, if we’d fragmented the data further 0-1, 1-2, 2-3 etc., the numbers get smaller and so the statistical significance might break down. Two years nicely captures the productive life, hence influence, of the queen.


  5. David

    Thanks David, fascinating paper and great to see some research. Made me realise how little I know about CBPV, never having seen it first hand that I know of.

    Can I ask what may be a dumb question – how do bees immune systems work? Looking at the spread of outbreaks over time made me think of resistance building in an area, but then I couldn’t work out how resistance would develop for any meaningful time period due to the turnover of workers (unless it is simply dying out of susceptible colonies/queens).

    Thanks again, it was a great read.


  6. David

    Ha, just catching up on reading and realise that answers to my question are probably in the vaccinating bees post!

    Sorry, too little reading time!!


    1. David Post author

      Hi David

      Yes, partly in Vaccinating bees, but there are additional components of the immune system as well which I’ll cover at some point in the future. Look up antimicrobial peptides for starters if you’re interested.

      Immune systems can be simple and still provide acquired inheritable resistance – prokaryotes such as bacteria and archaea have the CRISPR system for example to protect against DNA viruses. Bees don’t have this system, but it makes the point that immune systems do not have to be as complicated as those of vertebrates to be highly effective.


  7. Liz Bates

    Hi David
    We had a Zoom meeting for Warwick and Leamington this week, and I mentioned my horrible experience with CBPV after hiving an infected swarm colony too close to my own apiary colonies. One of our members, who is a swarm collector, asked me what is a ‘safe’ distance for a swarm collector to put the bees that (s)he collects relative to his/her own bees, and I thought it best to ask you. Any suggestions? Liz

    1. David Post author

      Hi Liz

      I’m answering these in reverse order (as that’s how they’re listed on my server) and have replied to a similar Q from Alan … good luck finding a suitable site.


  8. Dorothie Jones

    Hi David
    What’s the latest on whether varroa is a significant vector for CBPV? Lots of discussion in our lical be group.

    1. David Post author

      I think the jury is still out … and it’s not a priority area for our own research. The early studies by Brenda Ball showed no association of CBPV and Varroa. However, the virus genome was detected in Varroa in studies a few years ago. CBPV is an adult bee pathogen clearly transmitted by direct bee to bee contact and contact of bees with contaminated fomites (inanimate surfaces) e.g. faecal contaminated. Varroa transmits infection to developing brood. There are some studies done of CBPV prevalence and levels before and after the introduction of Varroa and they don’t support Varroa-mediated transmission.

      Of course, the correct way to do this experiment is using the Varroa feed packet system our collaborators developed and we used to demonstrate that DWV replicates in mites … this can be extended to investigate transmission.

      Hmmm, who knows, perhaps we are in a good position to do the experiment after all?



  9. Dani Akrigg

    Morning David. I’m a bit late to the feast here
    Is there a connection between tracheal mites and CBPV?

    1. David Post author

      Hello Dani

      Not that I’ve aware of … other than mites being originally suspected of causing the paralysis before CBPV was identified. Mites have also been detected in some colonies that have collapsed from CBPV, but I suspect that’s correlation and not causation.


  10. Michael Gates

    Hello David – interesting as ever! I have just set up three nucs with mated queens from a reputable bee farmer. Two are fine the other almost certainly has CBPV. The queen was fine on the fourth day after receipt when I removed the tags from the Butler cage but dead on the floor, together with about a hundred workers on the eighth day. The donor colony providing frames of young brood is fine. So might it be possible the the queen arrived infected. What research is there about causes of transmission, please?


    1. David Post author

      Hello Michael

      One hundred dead workers doesn’t sound like CBPV. You normally expect handfuls accumulating outside the hive entrance. The virus is transmitted bee to bee through direct contact (and also through faeces and possibly also on hive hardware). Evidence suggests that it’s associated with strong hives that go through a period of confinement, for example due to adverse weather at the peak of the season. A newly created nuc is unlikely to be sufficiently crowded I’d have thought. If there’s CBPV you should expect to see the characteristic symptoms of either (or both) shivering/shaking bees on the top bars of the frames and oily, black workers. Without those types of symptoms and a large loss of the worker population I don’t think it’s possible to diagnose it as CBPV.

      Not a lot of help I’m afraid … and doesn’t really help with the loss of your new queen.


      1. Ann Chilcott

        Hello David, Ann Chilcott here to say that I am about to euthanise a colony this evening that is showing strong signs of CBPV. I collected it as a prime swarm (not an own goal!) mid July and 4 days ago it began showing changes in behaviour with reduced foraging and milling around the entrance shivvering and agitated. I found a virgin queen outside looking confused. Every time she went back into the hive she was pushed out again. I then found many emergency queen cells with queens emerging all around inside, and the bees running all over the frames in a frenzy with some black and shiny inside and outside the hive. Heavy rain for a day and then a carpet of dead bees, including at least 4 queens, outside.
        I experimented 3 years ago keeping such a colony over winter and they survived for 2 years but were unproductive. So, last year in June I did a shook swarm and requeened and they are fine in that there are only a few bees now and again that might be exhibiting the virus but not markedly so. Not taking any chances this year, or risking the other colonies.

        1. David Post author

          Hello Ann

          Sounds like a sensible course of action considering the stage of the season we’re at. I’d say it was later than usual to have a colony succumb to CBPV but it’s a virus that is clearly increasing across much of the UK. Interesting you comment that the ‘carpet of dead bees’ followed a day of heavy rain. Overcrowding and poor weather (the latter often inducing the former) is thought to be involved in CBPV outbreaks. In your case I presume the poor weather simply stopped the undertaker bees clearing out the corpses for a day, rather than being the event that induced the symptoms.

          Since CBPV is considered an adult bee disease I’m surprised the shook swarm was so beneficial. However, I think it’s fair to say there’s a lot more we don’t know about CBPV than we do 🙁

          Give everything a really good clean!


          1. Ann Chilcott

            Thank you for commenting, David. The shook swarm and requeening was suggested by vidal-Naquet in Honeybee Veterinary Medicine. As you say, there is so little information on CBPV.
            3 years ago at the end of July I first noticed what I think was CBPV in another colony. At first, it looked like poisoning with bees tumbling out of the hive and spinning on the ground. Results of samples sent to SASA came back negative for toxins. Then I noticed more black shiny bees and crawling ones out front.
            I suppose the swarm this year arrived with it mid-July. It was enormous and built up very quickly in a single brood box so probably overcrowded. Might it have fared better if I had given it more room and added a second brood box do you think?

          2. David Post author

            Hello Ann

            Our studies with Giles Budge in Newcastle on the causes of CBPV outbreaks are still ongoing so it’s too early to say what really triggers the sort of devastating symptoms often seen by beekeepers. Clearly overcrowding is a contributing factor – it’s probably the major way in which the virus is transmitted within the colony – so providing ample space as soon as practical probably can’t do any harm. However, it’s likely other things need to happen as well. One of the goals of our research is to try and develop a checklist of ‘events’ that might contribute … a sort of “if x and y and z happen then you’re at risk, so do the following”. We’re not there yet but hope to be by late next summer.


  11. Mackenzie

    I enjoyed this article. Had a hive quickly die out last year with CBPV. This year I’m monitoring a wall cavity hive that’s just started to show signs of CBPV (about a month now) but not too many black, shiny hairless bodies at the entrance or floor but enough to know it’s present. It’s September so I’ll just have to wait till Spring 2022 for results.

    1. David Post author

      Hello Mackenzie

      As colonies shrink going into autumn it might well be that the disease ‘disappears’, at least as far as overt symptoms are concerned. Many colonies survive CBPV infection, albeit in a significantly weakened state afterwards. However, contamination of the hive (nest cavity in your case) may still occur – or there may be asymptomatic carriage – leading to recurrence of disease. I think it’s fair to say that we don’t really understand this aspect of CBPV yet … some beekeepers report annual recurrence whereas for others it’s a ‘on off’.

      If the colony makes it to spring (being unmanaged other pathogen levels are likely to be high) it will be interesting to see what happens.


  12. Ann Chilcott

    Hello David,
    Great to hear that you are working on this problem and I look forward to learning more. Thank you for the information.
    I’ve ordered up some more brood boxes as I ran out this season as that swarm came in, but of course we know it is much more complex than lack of space.
    I’ll destroy any colony in future that shows signs of CBPV till we know more about management.

  13. Jon Boomgaarden

    Hi David,

    From time to time when something sugary is left out, I have foragers come from somewhere nearby, some from my hives, some from other places.

    off and on over the years, I have coal black (blacker than a raven in a coal mine, no striping visible on abdomen) sort of bees show up.

    They are somewhat small, with abdomen more tapered toward the caudal end, move quickly, and appear rather more elegant than typical AM Ligustica.

    Any chance they were suffering from CBPV? I don’t recall them being especially hairless, but they were maybe a bit shiny in appearance.

    I have set swarm traps the last 3 years, and caught a total of 3 swarms, none of which had this appearance.

    Kind regards.


    1. David Post author

      Hello John

      Are you are sure they are honey bees? In the UK we have something like 400+ species of bees, only one of which is a honey bee.

      If they are honey bees I don’t think they’ll have CBPV. By the time they are black and shiny, foraging is about the last thing on their mind. Most die in a pile outside the hive entrance.


  14. Jon Boomgaarden

    Thanks for your reply. What you wrote confirms my own thinking.
    While there are a lot of native bees in the US, there aren’t any which can easily be mistaken for AM, as far as I know. It is a bit hard to say for sure, as these bees move pretty quickly, but other than their coloration they could easily pass for bees from my own hive. Their size, general anatomy, and behavior lead me to think they are AM.
    I will keep my swarm traps up, and maybe I can catch a swarm of them one of these years.



    1. David Post author

      Hi Jon

      Sorry for the delay … I guess a bait hive will only attract them if they’re honey bees. Good luck with your trapping.


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